From: Ferrel Christensen <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: [
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:24:52 -0600
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At 11:48 PM 4/9/01 -0600, Doug Pierozinski wrote:
>> >I don't agree with your approach and judgement. The
>> > Mr. Adams scenario is yet another example. How is it a good thing
to have Donna
Laframboise writing negative articles about the
rights members? As far
>> > as I am aware she has been nothing, but good for the fathers'/men's
>> Then you
didn't understand the item I sent to the
>> could read it again to see what she has been doing. Yes, she has done
>> great work for our movement. But some of us have found out the hard way
>> that she has a nasty dark side. If your mind is open to being changed by
>> new information, I could send more of the evidence and the story.
>My mind is always open Ferrel. Do send your evidence regarding Donna dark
On second thought, since possible legal action is still pending, I will
delay detailing the evidence on this list--but every fact I presented in
the press release concerning her behavior can be proven by witnesses and
documents. For now, will you at least acknowledge that such behavior, IF
engaged in by her or anyone else, would be contemptible?
What I can do for now is present more detail than I did in the press
release about why Adams came to get on the Board of ECMAS. To repeat,
he never planned in advance to do so--it was a spur-of-the-moment decision
made in the attempt to stop great harm to the group.
A certain pair of individuals having some affiliation with ECMAS--but not
regular active members--who have long-standing personal conflicts with
regulars in ECMAS decided to make an attempt to grab power at the Annual
General Meeting. This was not an open and above-board announcement of
attempting to change things, however; it was a sneaking-around scumbag
attempt. It involved gathering together a couple of other non-regular
members, a few non-members who had attended some support-group meetings
(hundreds have attended such meetings, but were not notified of the AGM by
the leaders of ECMAS because such attendance is not activity in ECMAS
itself), and a few persons who had never had any prior contact with ECMAS.
The pair told these other individuals libelous lies and then brought them
to the meeting to vote in a bloc.
Some advance word of the conspiracy having leaked out, the regulars were
concerned about just what might be attempted. It became obvious that they
didn't have enough votes to prevent re-election of the existing president.
But to it appeared that they were going to get their person in as
vice-president if no one else agreed to run.
In fact, things were not as they appeared to him. But in the middle of
final call for candidates and imminent elections, there was no opportunity
for him to discuss such things with others concerned about the conspiracy,
so in desperation he did the only thing he could think of--stand for
election himself. The motives of those who then voted for him--I was not
one of them--were largely the same as his own.
Since at least one person writing to this list opines that Adams
should have no involvement with a men's/fathers' group at all, let alone
Board membership, let me reiterate ECMAS' position. To give adequate
help to the hundreds coming for legal information, it is imperative to have
someone with that knowledge. The alternative is to be unable to give it, or
worse: to allow them to be given uncorrected the sort of false information
which is common at support-group meetings. And in all ECMAS' years of work,
though it has gotten limited help from numerous lawyers, it has never until
now been able to get anyone to put in the hundreds of hours of volunteer
time which has put in. [Back]
So, to all those who think should be punished his whole life for
offenses he has already paid for, and all those who think victims of the
divorce system--and their children--should be denied the help he has been
giving, I repeat: you have no damned idea what you're saying.
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