From: Louise <malenfant@powersurfr.com>                    

To: donna laframboise <dlaframboise@nationalpost.com>

Subject: Fw: A Message to Ecmas, Merge and GIEF

Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:25:47 -0400 [See highlighted material 4 pages below]       ------->

 

> > >Hey Donna,                                                  

 

I put this chain in order for you, instead of you having to start from the

bottom.  The Report editor Link Byfield wrote a recent excellent article on

pedophile normalization, and since he is the chief editor, i think he would

be interested in Ferrel's book, and his favorite lawyer, as well.  I don't

plan on doing anything though until after the provincial [ECMAS?] election

> > >

> > > At 03:23 AM 2/14/01 -0600, Louise wrote:

> > > >A Message to Ecmas, Merge and Geif, from Parents Helping Parents

> > > >February 13, 2001

[She here omits her original recipient list, which included me; I replied to the same list--see below.--FC]

> > > >=========================================

> > > >

> > > >Once again, today, I was reminded of the fact that my former

employer,

> > > Ferrel Christensen, is finding any opportunity to disparage me since

our

> > > total disassociation of November, 2000.  I am well aware of Mr.

> > > Christensen's activities as I am told about them on a regular basis.

> And

> > > while it is no secret that we despise each other, I have for three

> months

> > > ignored these provocations in the hope that Mr. Christensen would

> > > eventually cease his behaviour in a natural way as most of us would

do.

> > > Unfortunately, I have come to the conclusion that Mr. Christensen is

not

> > > like ordinairy folk, and is unable to let go of his rage.

> > > >

> > > >I therefore wish to state for the record that I view an attack upon

my

> > > reputation and my character as no different then a physical attack

upon

> my

> > > person.  I further wish to advise, in all seriousness, that should

this

> > > libelous behaviour continue, I shall be left with no choice but to

bring

> > > our dispute to full public light.  In addition, I have drafted a

formal

> > > complaint to the Human Rights Commission concerning Mr. Christensen's

> > > behaviour as an employer, who invited me here under the false pretense

> > that

> > > he represented a legitimate organization run by a board of directors.

> > > Though this has not been filed, it will be if this behaviour does not

> > cease

> > > and desist immediately.  I hope this will convince the above-noted

> family

> > > rights organizations that I am no longer prepared to turn the other

> cheek,

> > > and will no longer abide any aspersions to my reputation.  With all

due

> > > respect to the collective organizations here, Parents Helping Parents

> has

> > > every right to be very proud of the work and the reputation we have

> > > developed over nearly a decade of dedication to gender equality issues

> in

> > > family law.  I trust that no one will take my effort to be patient

with

> > > Ferrel Christensen as a sign of weakness, for the day is over when I

> > accept

> > > his behavior without responding to it.

> > > >

> > > >PHP will be taking a moratorium on our activities for at least a

month,

> > to

> > > reflect on this disturbing situation and come to a decision regarding

> our

> > > next course of action.  Should I receive any additional feedback

> > indicating

> > > that Ferrel Christensen is continuing with his adolescent activities,

I

> > > will not hesitate to respond in kind and with the full force of my own

> > > research on his own dubious history.  We will see whose reputation

> > > withstands that kind of scrutiny.

> > > >

> > > >Louise Malenfant

> > > >Family Advocate

> > > >Parents Helping Parents, Edmonton

 

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: "Ferrel Christensen" <ferrel.christensen@ualberta.ca>

> > To: "Louise" <malenfant@powersurfr.com>; "ron marshall"

<rsmdad@home.com>;

> > "Elsie Cable" <rcable@telusplanet.net>; "bobby bouvier"

> > <bobbouvier@netzero.net>; "Mike La Berge" <ecmas@telusplanet.net>;

"Abdula

> > Mahamad" <amahamad@ecn.ab.ca>; "shannon Stachnik" <ampsjs@home.com>;

> > [the aunt and her email address]; "Brian St. Germaine"

> > <stgermai@telusplanet.net>; [Source A's email address] ; [the girlfriend

> > and her email address]; "S.A. Green" <greest@bmi.net>; "Gerald

Gauthier"

> > <ggauthier@interlink.net>

> > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 1:39 PM

> > Subject: Re: A Message to Ecmas, Merge and GIEF

> >

> >DONNA, this is Ferrel's response to my original message below:

 

> > > I believe the list of names to which Louise sent her message reveals

> > pretty

> > > well which of us is seeking opportunity to disparage the other. Those

I

> > > have told about the serious conflict between her and me have been on a

> > > need-to-know basis. Indeed, I had to do so in the first place mostly

to

> > > tell my side of the story to certain individuals she had already made

> > > allegations to. And I have consistently described the good I see in

her

> > > behavior with the bad--truth is an absolute defence.

> > >

> > > I apologise to those receiving this message for the further intrusion,

> and

> > > trust that henceforth neither of us will feel a need to bother them

with

> > > such messages.

> > >

> > > FC

 

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Louise [mailto:malenfant@powersurfr.com]

> > Sent: February 15, 2001 11:17 AM

> > To: ron marshall; Elsie Cable; bobby bouvier; Mike La Berge; Abdula

> > Mahamad; shannon Stachnik; [the aunt]; Brian St. Germaine;

> > [Source A's email]; [the girlfriend]; S.A. Green; Gerald Gauthier;

> > Ferrel Christensen

> > Subject: Re: A Message to Ecmas, Merge and GIEF

> >

> >

> > I am not sure what the list of names reveals about anything.  While most

> of

> > the names are of merge, ecmas and gief members, I consult with both Stan

> and [one of her endless pretenses;  she knew no one involved in GIEF (as she admitted elsewhere).]

> > Gerald on a regular basis about nearly all issues relating to gender

> > equality, because I admire them and respect their judgement and for no

> other

> > reason.  I certainly don't plan on asking Ferrel's permission for the

> people

> > I do and do not communicate with.

> >

> > It is no secret that Ferrel has been casting aspersions in a general way

> > about my "reputation", with nothing substantial or specific, but it

> appears

> > that he really hates it when he is confronted on it, as I have chosen to

> do

> > at this time.  I will no longer stand idly by and watch the likes of

> Ferrel

> > Christensen attack a reputation that belongs to me alone, something that

I

> > have worked to achieve for nearly a decade dedicated to establishing

> gender

> > equality in my life time.

> >

> > As for Ferrel's admonition that neither of us communicate with anyone

> again

> > on this issue, I don't take directions from Ferrel, and I will talk

about

> > what I want with whomever I want unless they themselves tell me

otherwise.

> > My position is on the record -  If Ferrel Christensen does not cease and

> > desist his regular denunciation of my character and my work, I will take

> > this dispute public and make formal complaint to the human rights

> > commission.  His methods only work in an environment of secrecy and fear

> of

> > confrontation, and I will not conspire to make it easy for him to harm

my

> > reputation.

> >

> > Louise Malenfant

> > Family Advocate

> > Parents Helping Parents, Edmonton

> >

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Louise" <malenfant@powersurfr.com>

To: <bobbouvier@netzero.net>

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 11:16 AM

Subject: Re: A Message to Ecmas, Merge and GIEF

 

 

> 

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Robert G.J. Bouvier" <bouvier@willowglen.ca>

> To: "Louise" <malenfant@powersurfr.com>

> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:08 PM

> Subject: RE: A Message to Ecmas, Merge and GIEF

> 

> 

> > Louise,

> >

> > Please do not e-mail me with details of the conflict between yourself

and

> > Ferrel.  There are things that I like about both of you and I don't want

> to

> > be put in the middle.  I am puzzled why Mike Laberge and others are

being

> > brought into this.  Please handle this between yourselves and please do

> not

> > make a major stink about things to the media exposing this or that.  The

> > last thing we need is publicly feuding members of our movement with

public

> > mudslinging.  Our rag-tag group cannot afford a bunch of bad publicity.

> ---->

>Louise: [N.B.: Typing 'Louise:' is Louise Malenfant's indicator that her own words follow.]

> If you can't afford bad publicity, you should perhaps read Ferrel's book 

> Pornography: the other side.  If his thinking ever became public knowledge,

> as I believe it should for public safety reasons, your reputation would be

> destroyed anyway.  It amazes me that it hasn't already come out, given the

> many media enemies Ferrel has.  Add to this the fact that the main resource

> provided to newcomers is a disbarred lawyer who had sex with a teenager,

> along with a man who feels taboos against sex with children and child

> pornography should be eliminated, and you have yourself a first class

> scandal on your hands. [In discovery, the reporter said she didn't recall reading this first copy of Ms. Malenfant's e-mail exchange with Mr. Bouvier, even though the background knowledge which the introduction above appears to assume suggests that Ms. Malenfant had communicated with her on the subject prior to that first forwarding. In any case, the two began frequent contact a week before the reporter's interviews, and Ms. Malenfant repeatedly made this type of claim to her during that time.] [Back]

  If I can find this out, so can anyone else, and

> ecmas has a lot of secrets to keep as a result. It has been my experience

> that the falsely accused want nothing to do with people who have "liberal"

> thoughts about child sexual abuse, yet that is exactly what they get when

> they go to a support group meeting.  I find it very odd that ecmas would

> prefer to sweep these issues under the rug, and wonder how long you will

be                                                               

> able to do so successfully.  The ultimate irony, of course, is that this

man

> is attempting to impugn my reputation, and I am supposed to sit idlely by

> and allow it to happen without any response.  Regardless of what you may

> think of me, I feel a person responsibility to the people experiencing the

> pain of family law, and find it difficult to ignore these issues.  While

it

> would perhaps be the easier route to stick my head in the sand and ignore

it

> like everyone else in Edmonton does, it is only a question of time before

> someone else discovers what you are doing.

> 

> >Bob: There are too many people that have worked too hard for too many

years.

> It

> > has been hard work to gain the credibility the good members of ECMAS

(and

> > MERGE) have built up and if this is destroyed (and it won't take too

> much),

> > then the people we are trying to help will lose out the most.  Please

note

> > that Ferrel has left me out of things and has not discussed the problems

> > between the two of you.  I am not sure what has happened to you lately,

> but

> > I have previously heard some brief details of the conflict from both of

> you.

> > As I am not intimately involved with the issues I really don't want to

> take

> > sides one way or the other.  I do not want to referee and I really don't

> > want to get involved.  I have enough problems with my own life.  I wish

> the

> > bickering and threats would stop.  Maybe you both can make some

agreement

> to

> > keep away from each other and not talk about each other.

> 

>Louise: I have made multiple efforts to do so, to no avail.  I have not

attended any

> ecmas meeting or support meeting for three months, but get calls every

week

> about the disparaging comments he makes when my name comes up.  I am a

paid

> up member of ecmas, but am being asked to avoid any meetings where Ferrel

> may be in attendance, and I have tried to accomodate that request.

 

> Bob:> both of you would only address the people that are directly involved

with

> > the dispute and please do not involve a bunch of other people.

 

> Louise:This is rather difficult to do as I have no idea what forums Ferrel

has

> chosen to discredit me.  I only know that I get regular calls about it,

and

> I refuse to ignore it any longer.  I don't like keeping secrets, either.

>Bob: I would hope

> > that both of you try to diffuse the issue rather than step things up.

> 

> Louise:If you are asking me to ignore the problem, that is not going to

happen.

> >

> > Regards,

> 

> Same to you, Louise

> > ------------------------------------------

> > Robert G.J. Bouvier       4507 - 103A Ave.

> > Tel: +1 (780) 468-6328    Edmonton Alberta

> > bobbouvier@netzero.net    CANADA   T6A 0W2

> > ------------------------------------------

> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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> >